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Producer vs Studio, wav import & polyrhythms

Posted: Sun May 07, 2023 9:49 pm
by emm kah
I'm a bass player, I compose songs and I just discovered G-Stomper. Because of a visual impairment it's difficult for me to search the forum to see if someone else has already posted the same question, so I'm sorry if this becomes a double post.

I decided to try G-Stomper because it has a very clear UI (very important to me), seems intuitive to use and has good sounds. Also, I'm not a friend of PCs anymore :D

Question 1: Is there a way or workaround to include a longer wav file, eg vocals or solo instrument, into a G-Stomper song (Studio or Producer), or are short samples the only option?

I know the apps are pattern based, but since the songs can be exported as wav, maybe it's possible to "mix" them with another wav before exporting? Or would the only option be to import the G-Stomper wav into another app?

Question 2: My music is quite pattern oriented (funk, reggae, west african & latin music) and I also like to use polyrhythms. Is "Studio" or "Producer" better suited for these styles?

Question 3: Is "Producer" (current version 1.1.x) technically up to date as "Studio" (current version 5.8.x)?

Thanks in advance for answering the questions and greetings from Germany.

Re: Producer vs Studio, wav import & polyrhythms

Posted: Mon May 08, 2023 6:26 am
by planet-h
Welcome to the forum, emm kah
and thanks for your message.

emm kah wrote:I'm a bass player, I compose songs and I just discovered G-Stomper. Because of a visual impairment it's difficult for me to search the forum to see if someone else has already posted the same question, so I'm sorry if this becomes a double post.

As far as I see, most of your questions have not been asked before, at least not exactly.

emm kah wrote:Question 1: Is there a way or workaround to include a longer wav file, eg vocals or solo instrument, into a G-Stomper song (Studio or Producer), or are short samples the only option?

Unfortunately not. All G-Stomper apps, also G-Stomper Producer, are pattern based. Therefore out of the box, 8 bars is the longest you can use.
However, if "Main screen / Setup / SMP / allow long running samples to overlap pattern changes" is activated, then you can theoretically run longer samples. These will in this case play as long as you do not trigger any other sample in the same track (sampler instance).

emm kah wrote:I know the apps are pattern based, but since the songs can be exported as wav, maybe it's possible to "mix" them with another wav before exporting? Or would the only option be to import the G-Stomper wav into another app?

Unfortunately, this is not possible.

emm kah wrote:Question 2: My music is quite pattern oriented (funk, reggae, west african & latin music) and I also like to use polyrhythms. Is "Studio" or "Producer" better suited for these styles?

Clearly G-Stomper Producer. Having individual timings for each track was one of the main reasons (together with the graphical multi track song arranger) why Producer was created (long after Studio).
The technical differences are explained in this article: https://www.planet-h.com/2019/06/11/int ... -producer/

emm kah wrote:Question 3: Is "Producer" (current version 1.1.x) technically up to date as "Studio" (current version 5.8.x)?

They share the same code base and are on the same level. The reason why the Producer version is lower is because it was developed 8 years after Studio.

emm kah wrote:Thanks in advance for answering the questions and greetings from Germany.

You very welcome.
Best wishes from Switzerland

Re: Producer vs Studio, wav import & polyrhythms

Posted: Mon May 08, 2023 7:09 am
by emm kah
Hi again and thanks for the quick and detailed answers.

"However, if 'Main screen / Setup / SMP / allow long running samples to overlap pattern changes' is activated, then you can theoretically run longer samples. These will in this case play as long as you do not trigger any other sample in the same track (sampler instance)." ----- This is an excellent tip for developing a workaround. I can already feel my brain cells starting to sweat. Made my day! Still, could you please clarify how to interpret that "theoretically"? Thanks a lot.

"Best wishes from Switzerland" ----- Grüezi! Now I understand why these apps seem so well made :D Keep on rockin'!

Re: Producer vs Studio, wav import & polyrhythms

Posted: Tue May 09, 2023 6:59 am
by emm kah
Okay, here comes my last bunch of questions (then I won't bother you anymore :mrgreen: ):

I think I'll get both apps. "Producer" is a bit intimidating or at least unusual to start with, so I'll start with "Studio". "Studio" seems more straightforward to me. But in the end I will need "Producer"...

Two questions: If I download and install an addon, e.g. a sound pack, then this addon can be used for both "Producer" and "Studio", right? Can there be problems if both apps are installed on the same device, using the same resources?

Thanks a lot!!

Re: Producer vs Studio, wav import & polyrhythms

Posted: Tue May 09, 2023 10:51 am
by planet-h
emm kah wrote:"However, if 'Main screen / Setup / SMP / allow long running samples to overlap pattern changes' is activated, then you can theoretically run longer samples. These will in this case play as long as you do not trigger any other sample in the same track (sampler instance)." ----- This is an excellent tip for developing a workaround. I can already feel my brain cells starting to sweat. Made my day! Still, could you please clarify how to interpret that "theoretically"? Thanks a lot.

Sorry, I could have phrased better. I meant you can "under specific conditions" (such as no follow-up trigger in the same track in the follow up-patterns) run longer samples.
I wrote "theoretically", because the playback of he sample might be affected of other factors, which might take place in the follow-up patterns, such as other effect settings or similar.

emm kah wrote:"Best wishes from Switzerland" ----- Grüezi! Now I understand why these apps seem so well made :D Keep on rockin'!

Thanks a lot ;)

Re: Producer vs Studio, wav import & polyrhythms

Posted: Tue May 09, 2023 10:59 am
by planet-h
emm kah wrote:I think I'll get both apps. "Producer" is a bit intimidating or at least unusual to start with, so I'll start with "Studio". "Studio" seems more straightforward to me. But in the end I will need "Producer"...

That's correct. G-Stomper Studio is definitely easier to start with.

emm kah wrote:Two questions: If I download and install an addon, e.g. a sound pack, then this addon can be used for both "Producer" and "Studio", right?

Packs can normally be used by all G-Stomper apps, depending on their content. Studio (and Producer) can use all of them.
Producer can also load all content created with Studio, such as Pattern Sets, Patterns, Sound Sets, etc.

emm kah wrote:Can there be problems if both apps are installed on the same device, using the same resources?

What you cannot write data to the shared storage, such as /sdcard/....
G-Stomper apps can only write in their own private storage.
But you can access the private storage of Studio and of other GStomper apps from within Producer.
And you can read from shared storage using the system files picker.

See https://www.planet-h.com/gstomper/docs/ ... mples.html
and https://www.planet-h.com/gstomper/docs/ ... Packs.html
and https://www.planet-h.com/faq/#whysystemfilespicker

Re: Producer vs Studio, wav import & polyrhythms

Posted: Tue May 09, 2023 12:22 pm
by emm kah
Hi again!

Sorry, I could have phrased better. ----- Absolutely no problem. I think my own phrasing is worse (I even don't know how to use the "quote" option here :D :? :D ).

Thank you so much for your fast and detailed replies. I guess, now I'm ready to go and give it a try (no demo versions, I prefer the full versions right from the start) ...

Take care and have a nice day.